Cost of Ipsec

jsalz · 11-13-2011, 07:11 PM

As a home user that wants ipsec vpn on his iphone ipad android and laptop i find that 270$ is too much for someone that just wants 1 or 2 tunnels and is not a corporation i got a x86 pc with 2 gigabit nics i am going to try untangle on and maybe get the cache feature as its reasable priced at 54$

i think u guy should make a home ipsec version for 100$ or less a yr
and limit the tunnels to say 10

also what do u guys think can a atom d510 handle untangle well with the free antivirus and webcache and maybe ipsec later on

sorry to complain but i really like the idea of this its just the cost for a geek home user / student

Louisd · 11-14-2011, 04:12 AM

Look at it from Untangle's point of view now. How are they to tell you are indeed a home user, not a company? Pretty hard for tnem to tell, don't you think?

While I agree that we "advanced home users" (term used for lack of better vocabulary) get frustrated with the cost of the advanced functionality we wish for, we also have to remember that if Untangle does not make money, none of the great free stuff we enjoy around here will be around for very long...

My 2 cents.

LD

pazza3564 · 11-14-2011, 04:41 AM

Also the IPSEC is only site to site. So your need to use openvpn.

jcoffin · 11-14-2011, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsalz

As a home user that wants ipsec vpn on his iphone ipad android and laptop i find that 270$ is too much for someone that just wants 1 or 2 tunnels and is not a corporation i got a x86 pc with 2 gigabit nics i am going to try untangle on and maybe get the cache feature as its reasable priced at 54$

As mentioned, OpenVPN is part of the free lite package which will serve home users' needs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsalz

also what do u guys think can a atom d510 handle untangle well with the free antivirus and webcache and maybe ipsec later on

I'm run Untangle with everything except spam blocking on a d510 without issue.

sky-knight · 11-14-2011, 12:01 PM

Spam blocker works fine, as long as it's SMTP only scanning. POP3 and IMAP scanning performance can be a bit painful.

We have a server in service on a 200 user network with spam filtration and the client loves it. It's powered by the d510. However, I don't "support" the use of that device in that way. For many of the same reasons that jcoffin has about recommending you not use the spam module.

Atom processors are wonderful tools, but they are computationally weak, and in the wrong places, it can make Untangle an unbearably annoying platform.

jsalz · 11-14-2011, 02:56 PM

sorry i guess i could not use it any why but there is no openvpn client for my ipad and dad iphone with out jailbreaking and i dont know about my android phone pptp or ipsec would work but pptp is a hack and not fully supported and i just found out ipsec is only point to point so any chance of makeing pptp a rack app like i said if its under 100$ a yr i would get it

sky-knight · 11-14-2011, 04:17 PM

Patience, the current release of iOS finally has a VPN API, Droid is working on the same stuff. So in the next year or two we'll finally start seeing non-root VPN clients out there.

jsalz · 11-14-2011, 07:10 PM

i want this to be very reliable so i was looking at a western digitel enterprise grade velociraptor it a 80 gb one thats on sale at new egg for 69$

or a 80 gb ssd on sale for 90$ (as i can assume that ssd is relable as i still have my 128mb usb jump drive)

i can't do raid with my chipset

i can assume that 80 gig is anuff space for this right

sky-knight · 11-14-2011, 07:17 PM

80 is more than enough, we sell a device with a 32gb SSD in it and it's doing fine.

As long as you aren't quarantining e-mail you never need more than about 10gb of space.

Now that said, I don't like having less than 80gb in the server. It gives you room to fix things when they break.

choeschen · 11-15-2011, 06:17 AM

Maybe not the answer you are looking for but have you looked at http://www.pfsense.org

I know someone who is using UT as their main firewall and pfsense for a PPTP VPN (which is supported natively by Windows and iOS devices) behind UT.

11-13-2011, 07:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
jsalz Newbie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4	Cost of Ipsec As a home user that wants ipsec vpn on his iphone ipad android and laptop i find that 270$ is too much for someone that just wants 1 or 2 tunnels and is not a corporation i got a x86 pc with 2 gigabit nics i am going to try untangle on and maybe get the cache feature as its reasable priced at 54$ i think u guy should make a home ipsec version for 100$ or less a yr and limit the tunnels to say 10 also what do u guys think can a atom d510 handle untangle well with the free antivirus and webcache and maybe ipsec later on sorry to complain but i really like the idea of this its just the cost for a geek home user / student

11-14-2011, 04:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
pazza3564 Master Untangler Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Echuca, Victoria, Australia Posts: 256	Also the IPSEC is only site to site. So your need to use openvpn. __________________ William Parry Web Hosting and Computer Maintenance william@wpitservices.com.au

11-14-2011, 12:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
sky-knight Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ URLs submitted: 8 Posts: 15,454	Spam blocker works fine, as long as it's SMTP only scanning. POP3 and IMAP scanning performance can be a bit painful. We have a server in service on a 200 user network with spam filtration and the client loves it. It's powered by the d510. However, I don't "support" the use of that device in that way. For many of the same reasons that jcoffin has about recommending you not use the spam module. Atom processors are wonderful tools, but they are computationally weak, and in the wrong places, it can make Untangle an unbearably annoying platform. __________________ Rob Sandling, BS:SWE, MCP Intouch Technology Phone: 480-272-9889 rob@intouchtechllc.com UntangleAppliances.com Phone: 866-794-8879

11-14-2011, 02:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
jsalz Newbie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4	well i did not know it was only point to point sorry i guess i could not use it any why but there is no openvpn client for my ipad and dad iphone with out jailbreaking and i dont know about my android phone pptp or ipsec would work but pptp is a hack and not fully supported and i just found out ipsec is only point to point so any chance of makeing pptp a rack app like i said if its under 100$ a yr i would get it

11-14-2011, 04:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
sky-knight Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ URLs submitted: 8 Posts: 15,454	Patience, the current release of iOS finally has a VPN API, Droid is working on the same stuff. So in the next year or two we'll finally start seeing non-root VPN clients out there. __________________ Rob Sandling, BS:SWE, MCP Intouch Technology Phone: 480-272-9889 rob@intouchtechllc.com UntangleAppliances.com Phone: 866-794-8879

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11-14-2011, 04:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
Louisd Master Untangler Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 166	Look at it from Untangle's point of view now. How are they to tell you are indeed a home user, not a company? Pretty hard for tnem to tell, don't you think? While I agree that we "advanced home users" (term used for lack of better vocabulary) get frustrated with the cost of the advanced functionality we wish for, we also have to remember that if Untangle does not make money, none of the great free stuff we enjoy around here will be around for very long... My 2 cents. LD

11-14-2011, 07:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
jsalz Newbie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 4	what do u guy do about hard disk i want this to be very reliable so i was looking at a western digitel enterprise grade velociraptor it a 80 gb one thats on sale at new egg for 69$ or a 80 gb ssd on sale for 90$ (as i can assume that ssd is relable as i still have my 128mb usb jump drive) i can't do raid with my chipset i can assume that 80 gig is anuff space for this right

11-14-2011, 07:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
sky-knight Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ URLs submitted: 8 Posts: 15,454	80 is more than enough, we sell a device with a 32gb SSD in it and it's doing fine. As long as you aren't quarantining e-mail you never need more than about 10gb of space. Now that said, I don't like having less than 80gb in the server. It gives you room to fix things when they break. __________________ Rob Sandling, BS:SWE, MCP Intouch Technology Phone: 480-272-9889 rob@intouchtechllc.com UntangleAppliances.com Phone: 866-794-8879

11-15-2011, 06:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
choeschen Master Untangler Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 126	Maybe not the answer you are looking for but have you looked at http://www.pfsense.org I know someone who is using UT as their main firewall and pfsense for a PPTP VPN (which is supported natively by Windows and iOS devices) behind UT.