What is your plan/roadmap for IPv6?

quux · 07-04-2007, 07:40 PM

Untangle looks like a nice product, but one thing I'm seriously on the lookout for, these days, is the ability to start the IPv6 migration.

What if any plans do the Untangle folks have in this area?

dmorris · 07-05-2007, 04:32 PM

hey quux,

we've discussed it some - but currently there are no solid plans to implement it on the roadmap. it seems that ipv6 is becoming a little more mainstream so it probably warrants a better look.

quux · 07-09-2007, 01:09 AM

Thanks for the reply dmorris.

I've been following the IPV6 stuff kind of lackadaisically for awhile, but in the past few months I've been starting to see that it's going to be a Really Big Deal within the next few years. The current predictions are that we'll be functionally out of IPv4 addresses sometime in 2010! It may take longer, or it may happen sooner, but with that date three years away, I guess to sooner people have real IPv6 solutions available, the more marketable their products will be in both the short and long run.

dmorris · 07-09-2007, 12:46 PM

"This particular model predicts that the use of the unadvertised address pool to sustain further growth on the IPv4 public Internet may provide addresses to meet demands until 02-Apr-2018."

quux · 11-12-2007, 04:04 AM

See the very top of the report:

Projected IANA Unallocated Address Pool Exhaustion: 26-Aug-2010

Projected RIR Unallocated Address Pool Exhaustion: 26-Jun-2011

Note that the 'unadvertised pool' they are talking about are address ranges given to entities, but not advertized on the internet. As an example, IBM has the entire 9.x.x.x range. A portion of that is used internally only (where it's known as the 'Power 9'). Bringing it back into public use would require 1) a lot of goodwill on IBM's part and 2) a lot of work by them!

I have no idea what's the deal with the other 'assigned but not advertised on public internet' address ranges. But I can't imagine many companies just giving those addresses back out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sooo ... for these ranges to come back into play, we'd probably see some sort of auction system, which would help somewhat, but would still give a lot of orgs a darn good incentive to go IPv6. Simple supply and demand stuff.

It's possible they'll pull some rabbit out of the hat and stave it off in various ways. But we'll be seeing a lot more demand for IPv6 either way, because IPv4 exhaustion is inevitable.

MacMan · 04-08-2008, 11:50 AM

I too am interested in IPv6 support. Does anyone know when it will be supported by Untangle ? ?

MacMan · 04-08-2008, 03:04 PM

I have requested this feature via Bugzilla

Enhancement Request
Bugzilla – Bug 4016

datajockeys · 04-14-2009, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmorris

hey quux,

we've discussed it some - but currently there are no solid plans to implement it on the roadmap. it seems that ipv6 is becoming a little more mainstream so it probably warrants a better look.

IPV6 is required to be implemented by all Federal Government agencies by June of this year (I think). If UT is going to keep being a viable platform, we really need to bump this up to #1 on the priority list.

proactivens · 04-14-2009, 08:43 AM

No they are not. In June they CAN start to implement it, but it is not a requirement. There are still going to be plenty of agencies using IP4 for many years to come.

mrunkel · 04-14-2009, 09:12 AM

I'm curious by what exactly you are looking for when you say "IPv6 support."

Do you want the Untangle to provide IPv6 to IPv4 NAT translation so that you can keep you internal machines using IPv4.

Do you wan the Untangle to be able to tunnel into the IPv6 network? It's nearly impossible to get IPv6 support from any consumer facing ISP today.

Do you want full RFC 4294 IPv6 support for clients?

Are you willing to run your network without NAT?

I know it is chicken and the egg, but right now, the world sees less than 1% IPv6 deployment. I don't see that this is as urgent as some would have you believe.

That being said, the underlying system can pretty much support IPv6 today, we'd need to do some serious work on the UI and the alpaca to manage IPv6, but *I* don't believe that it will be that great of an effort. Of course *I* am not the one that has to do the coding.

07-04-2007, 07:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
quux Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3	What is your plan/roadmap for IPv6? Untangle looks like a nice product, but one thing I'm seriously on the lookout for, these days, is the ability to start the IPv6 migration. What if any plans do the Untangle folks have in this area?

07-05-2007, 04:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
dmorris Untangle Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Mateo, CA URLs submitted: 10 Posts: 10,214	hey quux, we've discussed it some - but currently there are no solid plans to implement it on the roadmap. it seems that ipv6 is becoming a little more mainstream so it probably warrants a better look. __________________ Attention: Support and help on the Untangle Forums is provided by volunteers and community members like yourself. If you need Untangle support please call or email support@untangle.com

07-09-2007, 12:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
dmorris Untangle Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Mateo, CA URLs submitted: 10 Posts: 10,214	"This particular model predicts that the use of the unadvertised address pool to sustain further growth on the IPv4 public Internet may provide addresses to meet demands until 02-Apr-2018." __________________ Attention: Support and help on the Untangle Forums is provided by volunteers and community members like yourself. If you need Untangle support please call or email support@untangle.com

11-12-2007, 04:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
quux Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3	See the very top of the report: Projected IANA Unallocated Address Pool Exhaustion: 26-Aug-2010 Projected RIR Unallocated Address Pool Exhaustion: 26-Jun-2011 Note that the 'unadvertised pool' they are talking about are address ranges given to entities, but not advertized on the internet. As an example, IBM has the entire 9.x.x.x range. A portion of that is used internally only (where it's known as the 'Power 9'). Bringing it back into public use would require 1) a lot of goodwill on IBM's part and 2) a lot of work by them! I have no idea what's the deal with the other 'assigned but not advertised on public internet' address ranges. But I can't imagine many companies just giving those addresses back out of the goodness of their hearts. Sooo ... for these ranges to come back into play, we'd probably see some sort of auction system, which would help somewhat, but would still give a lot of orgs a darn good incentive to go IPv6. Simple supply and demand stuff. It's possible they'll pull some rabbit out of the hat and stave it off in various ways. But we'll be seeing a lot more demand for IPv6 either way, because IPv4 exhaustion is inevitable. Last edited by quux; 11-12-2007 at 04:16 AM..

04-08-2008, 11:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
MacMan Untangler Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33	IPv6 support I too am interested in IPv6 support. Does anyone know when it will be supported by Untangle ? ?

07-09-2007, 01:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
quux Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3	Thanks for the reply dmorris. I've been following the IPV6 stuff kind of lackadaisically for awhile, but in the past few months I've been starting to see that it's going to be a Really Big Deal within the next few years. The current predictions are that we'll be functionally out of IPv4 addresses sometime in 2010! It may take longer, or it may happen sooner, but with that date three years away, I guess to sooner people have real IPv6 solutions available, the more marketable their products will be in both the short and long run.

04-08-2008, 03:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
MacMan Untangler Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33	IPv6 Enhancement Request I have requested this feature via Bugzilla Enhancement Request Bugzilla – Bug 4016

04-14-2009, 08:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
proactivens Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greensburg, Pa Posts: 2,304	No they are not. In June they CAN start to implement it, but it is not a requirement. There are still going to be plenty of agencies using IP4 for many years to come. __________________ www.untangleappliances.com Toll Free: 866-794-8879 UNTANGLE PLATINUM PARTNER Follow us at spiceworks!

04-14-2009, 09:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
mrunkel Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,496	I'm curious by what exactly you are looking for when you say "IPv6 support." Do you want the Untangle to provide IPv6 to IPv4 NAT translation so that you can keep you internal machines using IPv4. Do you wan the Untangle to be able to tunnel into the IPv6 network? It's nearly impossible to get IPv6 support from any consumer facing ISP today. Do you want full RFC 4294 IPv6 support for clients? Are you willing to run your network without NAT? I know it is chicken and the egg, but right now, the world sees less than 1% IPv6 deployment. I don't see that this is as urgent as some would have you believe. That being said, the underlying system can pretty much support IPv6 today, we'd need to do some serious work on the UI and the alpaca to manage IPv6, but I don't believe that it will be that great of an effort. Of course I am not the one that has to do the coding. __________________ m. Big Frickin Disclaimer: While I'm pretty sure, I can't guarantee that I know what I'm doing. There might be a better way to do this, and this way might actually suck. Make sure you understand the implications of what you're doing before trying to follow these directions. It often helps troubleshooting if you have a good network map. Look here if you want my advice on how to draw one. Attention: Support and help on the Untangle Forums is provided by volunteers and community members like yourself. If you need Untangle support please call or email support@untangle.com