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    Quote Originally Posted by dwasserman View Post
    I have a lot of exchange 2003 deployed.
    All of them in small bussines from 20 to 150 users.
    And all of them I need to fight very hard with owners, cio´s and managers to accept increase the budget for thinks that are "working well", they dont understand massively improved disaster recovery tools. Infinitely better backup / restore APIs, and insanely better OWA. Not to mention incredibly flexible out of the box anti-spam tools.
    Thanks to robustness of windows 2003 this year I only can sell 2 windows 2008, and was for hardware issues.
    I understand the life cycle of technology, know the advantages and needs of use the last, but the budget in small bussines here in the 3 world its only to replace the broken.
    My avatar will not let me lie
    I've moved away from exchange almost totally and now use Zimbra...

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    I've moved away from exchange almost totally and now use Zimbra...
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    just because i don't use exchange doesn't mean i'm ending the ms partnership. I'm no fool.. I still use windows servers on the backend for AD. hopefully Samba 4 will end this dependence..then it's a case by case basis..

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    I use both... Zimbra is a solid product.

    However, in your world you need exchange 2007 more than 2003 just because of the repair tools. Trust me, when a server dies... current Exchange is MUCH easier to fix and restore.

    I don't do Exchange in offices that don't have at least two servers. I don't do SMB server, why? The reasons you've just mentioned.

    Exchange isn't a product that survives well at all in the don't replace it until it dies mentality. It must be maintained... or all that critical company detail goes poof.
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    I can modestly say I have a good experience in repairing and maintaining exchange 2003.
    The last was two months back, when an IS cant mount because a bad sector in a raid 5 volume!!!! (this is new for me, bad sectors in a raid).
    An the last resort is a disaster recover from the full backup.
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    Bad Sectors in a RAID 5 volume?

    You've got a drive failing...
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    Yes, crazy issue.
    The old and lovely chkdsk detect it.
    Want to laugh ? during the repair process i mount the store in an external iomega disk and work well in production with 200 users!!
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    can't really run a truce chkdsk on a raid volume because youa re only checking hte overlaying partition across your raid setup. I do agree with sky's interpretation though.

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    Believe me, one store not mount. Luckily can move almost all storage to external disk, and some mailbox of this storage to .pst.
    Then from fail safe boot can run chkdsk and detect error in the .edb file. Of course with all data out of raid I rebuild it and do intensive test. All right
    Is the first time I see this problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky-knight View Post
    IMHO, if you are still operating on Exchange 2003 you are a fool.
    Strong words but: OK. The degree of change you describe wasn't apparent to me from the MS "what's new" blurbs on the web. I mostly saw things that looked like they were oriented to benefit large enterprises with multiple Exchange servers. My situation: small company, one server, net management an additional duty with limited time, etc., etc. Maybe I should have looked closer at my upgrade options and what they bought me.

    Quote Originally Posted by hescominsoon
    That's not a security function and this is a security appliance.
    And I have to concede that's a very relevant consideration. Another box to host DavMail wouldn't be out of the question.

    Also nice to hear that Zimbra's a good option, as I had been looking at it as an Exchange alternative.

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