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    So I know this has been a discussion before on this forum but now Google is making it's https service the norm. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/g...-how-to-respo/

    If more and more sites start doing this ex. Bing, how can Untangle remain effective?

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    web filter (paid) will block https sites.
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    So the answer is to block https://google.com?

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    Google can encrypt stuff all it wants. So the safe search enforcement doesn't work, but the results Google responds with are all still categorized by the web filter when you click on it.

    Just because a search site encrypts stuff doesn't mean we can't filter access to the non-encrypted sites you're getting to beyond that.

    That said, yes the whole idea of everything being HTTPs all the time is getting rather annoying. Fortunately, virtual hosting SSL is still a rather large pain so most sites will remain unencrypted for a while.
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    The interesting thing is that in Google you can get a preview of the page before you click the link and since that is cached at Google it is not recorded in Untangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce2400 View Post
    The interesting thing is that in Google you can get a preview of the page before you click the link and since that is cached at Google it is not recorded in Untangle.
    Which is where you as an admin have to decide if you want to start blocking access to the search engine category, and white list specific search urls to search engines that don't do this sort of thing.

    Keep in mind that the default search settings for all major engines do their best to remove porn. They simply aren't set to their most strict setting, which Untangle tries to enforce.

    And Yes, I'm getting closer every day to having to deal with the reality of potentially black listing google and bing search services.
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    Thanks Sky-Knight for the info.

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    I don't see anyone trying to use the google preview as their porn browser. You might have a few images get through, but it's more likely to be incidental than anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoffin View Post
    web filter (paid) will block https sites.
    correction: web filter can categorize HTTPS by IP address, and it can block by category.
    It can not "block https sites" generically speaking.
    It can block by domain name for SNI supported browsers and OSs.

    We are working on some ideas to allow for granular HTTPS filtering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoehoorn View Post
    I don't see anyone trying to use the google preview as their porn browser. You might have a few images get through, but it's more likely to be incidental than anything.
    That has been my experience as well. At some point I assume tools will improve to deal with the HTTPs nature of the world. But in the meantime, Google's built in stuff works.

    It just means we get to test and maintain "Google" now as well as Untangle. Which is my primary gripe. I'm lazy, and having one place to go for content control is just plain easier.
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