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    Greetings! A client is asking me to compare Untangle to a hardware appliance that they are bidding on. The specs below:

    Hardware Specifications

    Total 10/100/1000 Interfaces (RJ45) 10
    Maximum Network Interfaces 14
    AMC Expansion Slot 1 Single Width
    System Performance

    Firewall Throughput (1518 byte UDP packets) 8 Gbps
    Firewall Throughput (64 byte UDP packets) 8 Gbps
    IPSec VPN Throughput 6 Gbps
    IPS Throughput 800 Mbps
    Proxy-based Antivirus Throughput 160 Mbps
    Flow-based Antivirus Throughput 350 Mbps
    Gateway-to-Gateway IPSec VPN Tunnels 6000/3000
    Client-to-Gateway IPSEC VPN Tunnels 3000
    SSL-VPN Users 300
    SSL-VPN Thoroughput 200 Mbps
    Concurrent TCP Sessions 600,000
    New TCP Sessions/Sec 20,000
    Policies 8,000
    Licenses Unlimited
    Virtual Domains 10
    High Availability Configurations Active/Active, Active/Passive, Clustering

    I know that a lot of this is based on hardware specs but appreciate any comments or links (if any) Thanks to all!


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    What is your need/use this appliance will need to meet?
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    You are forgetting one very important detail: the price of the product and the annual subscription renewal
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    Default Untangle VS Appliance

    Quote Originally Posted by dwasserman View Post
    You are forgetting one very important detail: the price of the product and the annual subscription renewal
    Actually, the point the client is trying to make is he is after
    comparing Untangle to an appliance. We are not talking about
    cost yet. Is there a way to compare? given the specs attached?


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    No, there is not.

    An "appliance" given the vague definition you've made is throwing a pile of numbers at an attempted description. If you provided a brand and model number someone might be able to do a product comparison. But to be honest, that's your job to research and compare to make an educated decision.

    As for Untangle. It is not an appliance, it is an operating system, specially purposed, and powerful. It has many features, the performance of which is directly dependent on the hardware you're using, the size of your environment, and the types of web traffic you will be processing.

    The only number I will throw at you is the concurrent session limit. Untangle tops out at 10k TCP sessions. I know some people balk at that number, but if you aren't 2000 users strong you won't be getting anywhere near that peak. Not unless you've got some very defective software on your network.

    Oh, and if you learn how to read logs UT will happily tell you what machine is running said malware so you can go nuke it.
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    AMC Expansion Slot 1 Single Width------->sounds like fortigate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwasserman View Post
    AMC Expansion Slot 1 Single Width------->sounds like fortigate.
    And if it is a Fortigate....we should compare "effectiveness". I've seen some networks behind Fortigates....and it does not do a good job of blocking SPAM, nor does it do a good job of blocking malware.

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    I too have some networks behind small fortigate devices (50b and 60b).
    As a safety device around much of the effectiveness is in the correct configuration, neither Untangle is Plug and play.
    They build (or send build) their own chips ASIC and the software, and that makes it worthy of my respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwasserman View Post
    As a safety device around much of the effectiveness is in the correct configuration, neither Untangle is Plug and play.
    That sentence confused the hell out of me...what are you trying to say?
    Got one client left with 50b units doing a WAN....they do OK for some solid VPN tunnels...but that's about it. Was using them way way before I discovered Untangle back in its early version 5 days.

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    I only try to say this:
    Maybe you have a bad experience with FG, not me.
    I have a couple of clients behind this little boxes and are well protected from spam, virus, web filter, and use vpn too.
    Is essential to keep it updated (like all technology products these days)
    The logic of the web gui is some bizarre for me, but it is possible to handle.
    And for the comparation with untangle, no way: different products, services and trade policies.
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