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    First, would let know, upgrade here was smooth, no issues or surprises, apart past issues related to upgrades or patches, seems UT back right on track.

    Disk Image: Since most installs are Downtime sensitive, why not invest in a good hardware with at least a RAID-1?
    This way downtime will be no more than boot time to be online in case of any issue.

    Automatic or Manual: Due to many scenarios of use, each admin should consider yourself what best fit in your case.

    But in any case, have a ready ISO available and a Backup, and you be back online in about 30 minutes.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmorris View Post
    I'm not going to respond to your ludicrous statements, but please stop making things up. People see the large post count and assume you know what you're talking about.
    Sky_Night is a typical "Type-A" or analytical personality. To him, he doesn't make things up. And unfortunatly for this personality, in his mind he HAS to be right, no matter what. He doesn't WANT to be right, he HAS to be right. It's just a trait of that personality. He doesn't want to be this way, it's just built in. He can't help it.

    Best to just smile and move on...

    (You can always find these types by the large post count. They spend an extreme amount of time justifying their position. Spinning words, re-adjusting ideas microscopically, etc etc. No matter how it does or doesn't fit the other person's scenario. To them, it's right no matter what and no matter who it hurts. You'll see these type in political office way way too often )
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    ...now back to the topic.

    Would just a simple settings backup be all you need before an upgrade? After all, can't you just wipe and re-install the old version, restore and be back to normal? I think this might save a lot of time and headache.

    I guess the only caviet would be if there is a special hardware consideration needing difficult configuration on install. If that were the case, I'd buy new hardware...

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    No Scott, I'm NOT an "A" type personality. Of course it seems you lack the definition of what that really means so here's a wiki article filled with enough psychobabble as to cast any doubt on the A/B thing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_type

    I'm an engineer, I work on facts.

    Fact 1.) Untangle proclaims to operate on a 6 month development cycle.
    Fact 2.) Untangle has produced a major new release every quarter for the last year.
    Fact 3.) Since 5.1, the quality of each release has reduced dramatically.
    Fact 4.) The last major upgrade came with so many show stopping bugs it required an emergency .1 release in the first 7 days.
    Fact 5.) The nature of upgrades of any kind invokes change, that chance has unpredictable side effects

    Given all of these facts as presented. I've argued for a manual upgrade approach. This allows the customer, not Untangle to define when they wish to take the risk for upgrade. My clients do the same thing with Windows updates against critical equipment. It isn't a new concept.

    I smacked Untangle, because I felt they rushed 8.0 to the counter. Bugzilla seems to be backing me up. I don't want Untangle to gain the reputation of pushing beta software to the market. But hey, everyone else does it so why not here too?

    Oh wait... the product being beta'd to the market happens to be the second of the most expensive paid features to be added to Untangle! We aren't talking about a free thing being broken here.

    And why am I justifying myself to you? I've busted my butt volunteering time on these forums for almost three years now helping people get Untangle installed and working. I've personally shattered the 250 user, 500 user, 1000 user, and 5000 user barriers. You see those upper level price buckets? They are there BECAUSE OF ME. Point blank, end of discussion, I paved the way.

    And my work continues, in the last few months as I partnered with Jim at Untangle appliances.com to create the NG series servers, the best Untangle hardware platform there is.

    I was asked by Untangle to support this product. I do so.
    I was asked my Untangle to solve the hardware problem. I did.

    What have you done around here again?

    What's next? IPSEC.

    But I can't do this if Untangle themselves persists on being too aggressive with update cycles. I have to have time to test against all of the hardware on the shelf, and support older installations. New kernels have a wonderful way of breaking things. I also happen to believe that a beta process is a bit more than waiting 7 days to turn up a number.

    P.S. I'm pretty sure I've just been trolled... but there it is. This community knows me, they know I'm passionate about this product, its near limitless capacity, and the opportunity it offers. They know I'm a relentless supporter of Untangle, INC, the technology they produce, and the people responsible for that. Untangle is nothing short of the best product, produced by the best people. I will not quietly sit by and watch it slide into obscurity because of a few Q/A issues.
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    And as a final word, in a separate post so people have it nice and clear.

    8.0's release has been a tremendous success. I see no issues worthy of holding back. So apparently I was wrong to feel it was rushed. I'm looking forward to exploring the new possibilities offered by the huge new feature-set we've been handed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky-knight View Post
    Fact 1.) Untangle proclaims to operate on a 6 month development cycle.
    Fact 2.) Untangle has produced a major new release every quarter for the last year.
    Fact 3.) Since 5.1, the quality of each release has reduced dramatically.
    Fact 4.) The last major upgrade came with so many show stopping bugs it required an emergency .1 release in the first 7 days.
    Fact 5.) The nature of upgrades of any kind invokes change, that chance has unpredictable side effects
    Fact 1 is false. You made it up. I know because I work here. (maybe you're confused with Ubuntu?)

    Fact 2 is false. Our release cycle varies based on the content of the release.

    Fact 3 is lol rhetoric

    Fact 4 is ??? 7.4.1? 8.0 doesn't have a .1 release yet much less an "emergency" one.

    Fact 5 is actually true.

    Fact 6 1 correct out of 5 is 20% correct.

    Like I said. You're free to say all sorts of ridiculous things. But stop making up "facts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottwilkins View Post
    ...now back to the topic.

    Would just a simple settings backup be all you need before an upgrade? After all, can't you just wipe and re-install the old version, restore and be back to normal? I think this might save a lot of time and headache. hardware...
    No, you cant. You cannot just reinstall an old version and reapply a backup, that doesnt fly. As soon as a new version hits, you must upgrade to that version in order to install any rack applications. There are "hack-a-rounds" but nothing that is public knowledge (nor should it be for that matter).

    @Dirk and Rob:
    Play nice boys. We all have our own opinions about Untangle, the dev cycle, the quality of releases, and so on but I do not think this is the right place to air your disagreements.

    Mistakes were made in the past, as with any software product some bugs slipped by QA. It happens. I believe Microsoft had this happen a few times, AKA Windows ME & Vista

    Lets live and let live. We have some great opportunities to work on some really exciting new features, lets focus on those things.

    V8 is great, bandwidth control is amazing, lets have some cake and look forward to version 8.1 shall we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by proactivens View Post
    ...........AKA Windows ME & Vista



    I"m currently trying to destroy my last running Vista in 7 offices.


    Version 8 is very nice by the by.

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    I have no issues with Vista 64bit, it was the 32bit boxes that puked. Vista just doesn't run right with less than 4gb of ram.

    Now Win 7 runs like a champ on 2gb, so I've pulled no punches putting 32bit Win7 out there to support older peripherals.

    This box is Vista 64bit... my laptop is Vista 64bit, my wife's laptop is Vista 32bit. I've run Intouch on Vista almost since day one it seems. Windows 7 has some nice upgrades but not enough for me to have an overly burning desire to upgrade.

    Now Windows ME, that thing actually ran really well if you put it on one of AMD's K6-2 processors on that old VIA GRA chipset. Of course the running gag on those old messes was that you needed some Viagra to keep them up, but that's entirely besides the point!
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