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    Actually, you couldn't. All your users had to do is put an s in the URL and poof off it goes.

    Google search results now default to the https sites as well, as do most other search engines. I understand your world very well, one of my oldest clients is a church. You don't get any cheaper than that.

    You still have the firewall, if you really want to block them then you get out the rules and fire away. Seriously, the module is useless, it only makes you think you have some control, you really don't have any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentNul View Post
    Unfortunately, no. It's a small (and really, really cheap) business. My IT budget is $0, there is no replacement schedule for any equipment or software (I just upgraded to - very cheap - managed switches...first network upgrade in 15 years),
    Total understand. I've had a few of those clients in past when consulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky-knight View Post
    I understand your world very well, one of my oldest clients is a church. You don't get any cheaper than that.
    I provide support for our church as well. While we need to be stewards of the resources we've been entrusted with, the ministry is thrilled to have quality filtering and protection from the premium package. As a non-profit, they receive a discount that makes the decision a non-issue. If a ministry is going to have real protection, there should be quality backing it up. Untangle NG does that, and I am very glad the leadership sees the small investment that way too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentNul View Post
    Unfortunately, no. It's a small (and really, really cheap) business. My IT budget is $0, there is no replacement schedule for any equipment or software (I just upgraded to - very cheap - managed switches...first network upgrade in 15 years), and as far as the owner cares, we don't need a firewall at all.
    I've worked for companies like that, but never again. As you know, if there is a problem, the IT guy is in the crosshairs. The desire you and I have to provide quality IT work is seriously compromised by lack of buy-in from the management/owners. Unless they are paying you top dollar (unlikely), you should cut them loose and hook your wagon to someone who really cares about the company. Working in the environment you are is like having a house in the middle of a *very* bad neighborhood and not having a front door... much less one that can be secured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky-knight View Post
    Actually, you couldn't. All your users had to do is put an s in the URL and poof off it goes.
    Google search results now default to the https sites as well, as do most other search engines. I understand your world very well, one of my oldest clients is a church. You don't get any cheaper than that.
    You still have the firewall, if you really want to block them then you get out the rules and fire away. Seriously, the module is useless, it only makes you think you have some control, you really don't have any.
    No one in my office is going to put https in front of porntube.com to bypass the block. Really? You think that's who I'm dealing with? You think my users are thinking, "Gee, I wonder if this webfilter thingy blocks https as well as http traffic through the firewall"?

    And my company is definitely cheaper than a church. It's not the priest's money that is spent on IT at the church. Non- and not-for profits run lean, but sole proprietor places are a whole different can of worms.

    Seriously, the module may be useless for YOU and YOUR clients, but please make sure you include that disclaimer in your posts. It may not be perfect, great, or even as good as some other free product out there, but it definitely has an an effect on traffic in my office. I even used it to block the tens of thousands of pings/day to dropbox.com. That's useful right there: I wanted to block them, Web Filter Lite did.
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    The reality is the app is going away. You can embrace that change, or fuss ad nauseum. If the owner does not want to support IT, then that is their decision. This is the same sort of decision the higher-ups at Untangle have made to no longer offer Web Filter Lite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoynton View Post
    I've worked for companies like that, but never again. As you know, if there is a problem, the IT guy is in the crosshairs. The desire you and I have to provide quality IT work is seriously compromised by lack of buy-in from the management/owners. Unless they are paying you top dollar (unlikely), you should cut them loose and hook your wagon to someone who really cares about the company. Working in the environment you are is like having a house in the middle of a *very* bad neighborhood and not having a front door... much less one that can be secured.
    I appreciate the warnings, but besides the lack of a budget, I don't see any reason to leave. My skill-set doesn't transfer well to places with big IT infrastructure and cash, I'm paid well enough, I have kept a very simple setup that's easy to maintain, I wear more than one hat (besides being the only person in IT, I also do research, mapping, and photoshop), and we don't have many security issues generally, even in the few years we ran without any firewall. Our biggest security problem was a user with ransomware last year (which no one blamed me for) and UT doesn't block that anyway!

    Also, I get to leave at 6:00 and I'm not on call! It's a pretty low stress, locked down environment and I stay on top of it to keep it that way.

    As I said up the thread, many here would be surprised the ways people use UT, particularly those of us who started using it almost 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoynton View Post
    The reality is the app is going away. You can embrace that change, or fuss ad nauseum. If the owner does not want to support IT, then that is their decision. This is the same sort of decision the higher-ups at Untangle have made to no longer offer Web Filter Lite.
    The app is going away if I update to v13. If I leave it where it is (12.1), I'm good to go with the 1 million blocked sites and the ones I add by hand. Might not work in your shop, works fine in mine.

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    I understand completely. People can stay on Windows XP if they want to also, but going forward, that is not the way to do business. IT is like a river, it is always flowing. We can either flow with it, or jump off and stay where we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoynton View Post
    I understand completely. People can stay on Windows XP if they want to also, but going forward, that is not the way to do business. IT is like a river, it is always flowing. We can either flow with it, or jump off and stay where we are.
    I don't mean to belabor the point, but IT is not like a river. Some shops need to move forward, some don't. Thinking it's like a river can mean constant upgrades and testing and spending for no actual reason other than to keep up with the river. I run NT server in my office. It's bulletproof and does exactly what I need it to do.

    XP was a great operating system, and if you aren't exposing the security flaws to the outside world and your apps run fine, there's no reason to dump it. (I have it on a few boxes in my office that I turn on when I need to delete non-empty folders off our file server, which W7 won't allow!)

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